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[Aš]

Aš, if you will continue in this tone, I will say more though... So you say Russia's fault in all of your troubles? Isn't your fault, that you were too weak to not defend your independence in the times? Huh? Do you like such answer?

I will let this to be read by the others. Can't believe this...

Who drummed into your head such things? Crimes?

Occupation is a crime. You agreed that this crime was made by russia by yourself.

Show me the connection between our defend and your occupation? Your occupation probably is secondary result of the war absolutely not related to 9th May.

If occupation would be secondary result, russia would not hold us for 50 years. And it's related with the defeat of nazis, because it was the way russia occupied us.

We have the day of the victims of the Stalinist terror, that's closer to your subject.

That's a good day. But why russians are blessing stalin then? Would you yourself agree that stalin was a shame for russia and it's history?

[Siberian]

I will let this to be read by the others. Can't believe this...

Sure, let them to read. It's imitation of your style of argumentation.

If occupation would be secondary result, russia would not hold us for 50 years. And it's related with the defeat of nazis, because it was the way russia occupied us.

If USSR didn't hold you 50 years, you would be in NATO long time ago. It's the tactical decision. (Doesn't mean I support it)

That's a good day. But why russians are blessing stalin then? Would you yourself agree that stalin was a shame for russia and it's history?

Where do see that Russians blessing Stalin? Most of the Russians don't blessing Stalin. It's not a shame for history it's disaster. It could be the shame if Stalin was elected like Hitler was.

[AIRzol]

Where do see that Russians blessing Stalin? Most of the Russians don't blessing Stalin. It's not a shame for history it's disaster. It could be the shame if Stalin was elected like Hitler was.

Nice banner



http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=466741

[Siberian]

Nice banner

LOL
And what's it's proving? Look who post the banner! A Serb.

[Perfect]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuan...g_World_War_II - read this and maybe you will get broader approach about what is independence to Lithuanians.

[Aš]

Sure, let them to read. It's imitation of your style of argumentation.

No needarguments tehre. Should i really defense my country for it not being as huge as russia? Does this fact itself allows russia to occupie my country? So what arguments you are talking about.

If USSR didn't hold you 50 years, you would be in NATO long time ago. It's the tactical decision. (Doesn't mean I support it)

But it's for us not for you to choose that.

Where do see that Russians blessing Stalin? Most of the Russians don't blessing Stalin. It's not a shame for history it's disaster. It could be the shame if Stalin was elected like Hitler was.

In your daily comentars and your media. So if you are saying it was a disaster then do you agree that russia should be apologising for the occupations and genocides it have done?

[Aš]

Look who post the banner! A Serb.

What does that change?

[Perfect]

Maybe you do not bless Stalin but you support imperialism. Stalin died, but kremlin still continues same policy.

[AIRzol]

LOL
And what's it's proving? Look who post the banner! A Serb.

it proves many things. man carrying a flag with swastika in germany would be a scum and criminal, meanwhile a man with such flag on may the 9th is a hero in russia.

[Berliner]

Aš, if you will continue in this tone, I will say more though... So you say Russia's fault in all of your troubles? Isn't your fault, that you were too weak to not defend your independence in the times? Huh? Do you like such answer?

Who drummed into your head such things? Crimes? Show me the connection between our defend and your occupation? Your occupation probably is secondary result of the war absolutely not related to 9th May. We have the day of the victims of the Stalinist terror, that's closer to your subject.

I really respect you being the only one Russian here, trying to answer all our comments.

But here's what I have to say. May 9th is of course a very important day for you, your family and your country - we understand that and we try to respect that as well. The only difference between you and me (i.e. a Lithuanian and Russian) is that you see this day as a completely positive thing.

I guess thats whats left from the Soviet propaganda. I've read a truly wonderful book about Stalin by Dmitrij Volkogonov. The book itself was written in Soviet times. And what it said was truly unbelievable. The whole war could have been avoided if Stalin had more strategic thinking.

Because it's kind of hard to have this fiest of liberation from Nazis, when your own government had a secret agreement, a friendship agreement with the Nazi Germany. Russia was providing Nazi Germany with food and metals.

And now Russia is calling Estonia a fascist country???

Talking about

occupation probably is secondary result of the war

lets not forget the Ribentrop-Molotov agreement, which actually divided Europe and the war between USSR and Germany started only after Germany broke the agreement. So maybe the war was secondary result of a planned occupation?

And you know, its kind of hard to defend a 3 million country against a 180 million country....

[Berliner]

If USSR didn't hold you 50 years, you would be in NATO long time ago. It's the tactical decision. (Doesn't mean I support it)

Well, your country seems to have wonderful tactics: Lithuania was annexed in 1944 and NATO was created in 1949. Quite a foresight I must admit.

Did you have war with Finland because of this foresight as well? It's kind of strange - because Finland is not a part of NATO.

[Gladiator]

[Aš]

They truly care about the monument... There is no bigger shame and disrespect for that monument which was made by theirself.

[Siberian]

So if you are saying it was a disaster then do you agree that russia should be apologising for the occupations and genocides it have done?

I think Russian government, should admit all of these victims of the Stalinism regime in Russia and in the closest countries which was suffered.

it proves many things. man carrying a flag with swastika in germany would be a scum and criminal, meanwhile a man with such flag on may the 9th is a hero in russia.

Sure it's a hero and if you don't understand why, sorry, but you're retarded. Seems like you know nothing about history of the neighbour country. Just what said to you like 'it was the occupant'. I have no time to explain the simple things, if you would wish, you would understand it, otherwise, you just don't wish it, so explaining it to you is useless.

Maybe you do not bless Stalin but you support imperialism.

LOL
Where did you see this?

Stalin died, but kremlin still continues same policy.

Big LOL

I really respect you being the only one Russian here, trying to answer all our comments.

Thanks, it's not easy.

I've read a truly wonderful book about Stalin by Dmitrij Volkogonov. The book itself was written in Soviet times. And what it said was truly unbelievable. The whole war could have been avoided if Stalin had more strategic thinking.

Because it's kind of hard to have this fiest of liberation from Nazis, when your own government had a secret agreement, a friendship agreement with the Nazi Germany. Russia was providing Nazi Germany with food and metals.

There are many theories, and what is the truth I don't know. I also read a book with alternative view on the time, but it doesn't mean, that it automatically truth.

And now Russia is calling Estonia a fascist country???

Russia doesn't call Estonia a fascist country. Just some people. It's really sensitive question, so Estonia should be more carefully with it, if she doesn't want the tensity.

Talking about lets not forget the Ribentrop-Molotov agreement, which actually divided Europe and the war between USSR and Germany started only after Germany broke the agreement. So maybe the war was secondary result of a planned occupation?

Maybe, I told you, there are many theories, but the truth isn't truly known. Just the conjectures. But the fact that Germany started the war didn't disputed.

[deep'as]

Russia doesn't call Estonia a fascist country.

Yes it does. You can hear it on your media and who controls media we all know. And now kids and other not very clever ppl repeat it. Putins regim, i call it NEOcommunizm.

[vytauc]

Siberian, just not to make you feel like you're surrounded- you're a good guy, I'm glad that we have you here and I'm sure I'm not the only one

[Siberian]

Siberian, just not to make you don't feel like you're surrounded- you're a good guy, I'm glad that we have you here and I'm sure I'm not the only one

vytauc, I think you understand me, looks like I'm talking with young guys who doesn't really understand many things.

Putins regim, i call it NEOcommunizm.

It has nothing in common with communism, believe me, because I live here.

[Berliner]

It has nothing in common with communism, believe me, because I live here.

I think that by saying neoCommunism, deep'as didn't mean changes in economical system, but in the way your country treats it's neighbours (just like USSR treated it's neighbours) and the way the freedom is treated.

I turned on РТВ today and I saw a report about May 1st parade in Moscow, and there was mayor of Moscow shouting (it sure looked like a dictator shouting at a bunch of fools) that everything that comes from Estonia should be banned and that Estonians did a terrible thing destroying the memory of those who fought in the WWII.

Well this was rather strange, because he is only a mayor - its not his business and after all, the day itself has nothing to do with Estonia.

Moreover, the parliament members, who are currently visiting Estonia offered Estonian government TO RESIGN. Thats totally unacceptable and unheard in a normal world.

Estonian diplomats are kept in the embassy, because the protesters wouldn't let them get away. Now it's so strange - police can't control a few hundred protesters near an embassy, but it can suppress huge protests against current government...

All in all, I am starting to think that all those so called "protests" in Estonia were controlled from Russia, and the removal (not damaging) of that statue was just a pretext to interfere in the matters of a sovereign state - it's not secret that Russia is trying to preserve its influence in all the post-soviet countries.

[Siberian]

Berliner, with something I agree, with something - not.
What do you want from me, I just tried to explain some acts and feelings of people in Russia. Did you want to know this? Or just wanted to say that I'm totally wrong and I'm with the criminals?

[Whose Homepage]

Siberian, just not to make you feel like you're surrounded- you're a good guy, I'm glad that we have you here and I'm sure I'm not the only one

Amen!

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