SSC ir SSP aktualijos

[Perfect]

Jei tai turėtų bent lašą naudos, nusiųsčiau. Dabar jie tik atsirinks tą dalį, kuri jiems pritaria ir naudodamiesi tuo afišuos "pasaulio pritarimą".

Pabandysiu paaiškinti kitaip. Na, tai yra mano interpretacija, tad jei įžeisiu kieno nors patriotinius jausmus, atsiprašau iš anksto. Mano manymu 90-aisiais išsiųstos telegramos ir laiškai ko gero buvo viena pirmųjų "spamo bangų". Aišku, žmonės rašė vedami patriotinių paskatų, tad lyginti su šiandieniniu marketinginiu spamu nėra visiškai adekvatu, bet... Kiek pamenu, Kremlius gavo tonas laiškų. Ką reiškia susidoroti su tokiu kiekiu informacijos, manau nereikia aiškinti...

[Aš]

You know, I don't care what you will think about me, but what doing you now is stupid, believe me.

It's not for you, it's for russian tendencys and for russian policy. And to tell that something is stupid can everybody who can't put any other argument.

Your quote "Russia have done a crime" and my "The end of the WWII and occupation is the different things." are absolutely unrelative.

It's a crime, I said it.

Your occupation isn't a reason to not celebrate our liberation.

I'm sorry what did you say? Pathetic.

[Perfect]

Your occupation isn't a reason to not celebrate our liberation. If you think otherwise, it's your problem. I'm regret already, that I'm posted here, I see the misunderstanding from the inside. Sad.

You see, what you call liberation to you has one meaning and for us different. For us it was not liberation it was just another occupation. We did not have choice and we were not allowed to make decision by our selfs. For us SS and KGB were the same.

[Siberian]

Alright.

My arguments are the stories of my grandpa and grandma, whom I belive more than to you. Logically? My grandma is from Belarus, quite close to you. And she lived there under Nazis occupation. And it was terrible. Two my grandpas served at the border in Ukraine when the Germans attacked. One of them got contusion and was returned home. So after liberation, the 9th May is really important for them. And I respect their feelings. Why I should your feelings put higher than their?

[Perfect]

You know, I don't care what you will think about me, but what doing you now is stupid, believe me. Your quote "Russia have done a crime" and my "The end of the WWII and occupation is the different things." are absolutely unrelative.

Actually they are very related. You should remember Ribentrop-Molotov agreement

[deep'as]

Taigi yra Europos diena

Tai du skirtingi dalykai.

[Aš]

Alright.

My arguments are the stories of my grandpa and grandma, whom I belive more than to you.

Ofcourse, or maybe fairy tales My arguments is the facts of history. Facts that russia has occupied my country and used a genocide to denationalize it and now russia is celebrating that every year. So what conclusion will you make?

And she lived there under Nazis occupation. And it was terrible. Two my grandpas served at the border in Ukraine when the Germans attacked. One of them got contusion and was returned home.

Ofcourse nazis was a terrible thing. Just like russia's crimes which was the same (same occupations same genocides (just some different nations)).

So after liberation, the 9th May is really important for them. And I respect their feelings. Why I should your feelings put higher than their?

Why their feelings should be higher than those who have died in your genocide?

[Siberian]

You see, what you call liberation to you has one meaning and for us different. For us it was not liberation it was just another occupation. We did not have choice and we were not alowed to make decision by our selfs. For us SS and KGB were the same.

I understand this. But you have to understand me also. I think the Soviet regime was as terrible for you as terrible for us. I really dislike communists and those regime. But the war was the war and the liberation day is really important for many people. It's not the day of 'hail to occupation', but the liberation of our lands. Don't mix the things. And I can't understand why you deserve more attention than ordinary Russian people who suffered not less?

[Siberian]

Ofcourse, or maybe fairy tales

Facts that russia has occupied my country and used a genocide to denationalize it and now russia is celebrating that every year. So what conclusion will you make?

...that you make simple but hasty conclusion, really comfortable for you. That's the political games. And you fall for them.

[Aš]

I understand this. But you have to understand me also. I think the Soviet regime was as terrible for you as terrible for us. I really dislike communists and those regime. But the war was the war and the liberation day is really important for many people.

The liberation of russia was a catastrophy for whole Eastern Europe. I know it's hard for you to understand but try it.

So after liberation, the 9th May is really important for them. And I respect their feelings. Why I should your feelings put higher than their?

No we don't need more attention than russians. Come on and stop this crime-celebrating together.

[Aš]

Now read this also:

My arguments is the facts of history.

...that you make simple but hasty conclusion, really comfortable for you. That's the political games. And you fall for them.

Or incomfortable for you because it shows the crimes which russia has done? But that's simply the facts.

[Perfect]

Alright.

My arguments are the stories of my grandpa and grandma, whom I belive more than to you. Logically? My grandma is from Belarus, quite close to you. And she lived there under Nazis occupation. And it was terrible. Two my grandpas served at the border in Ukraine when the Germans attacked. One of them got contusion and was returned home. So after liberation, the 9th May is really important for them. And I respect their feelings. Why I should your feelings put higher than their?

This is very true. It was awful. But KGB and NKVD was not better than nazis. It was continues "red-brown-red" nightmare. One more detail... We were occupaid by soviets before nazis entered Lithuania. Remember Ribentrop-Molotov agreement.

[Aš]

I don't hink that internet can't explain the tendency of the opinion in russia. All i can here from world wide russians (not all of them, but the most of them, i'm talking about tendencys, not about russians as the entire nation, don't forget this) and your media makes me sick.

If you want i can make you yourself give us all a provement of that.

And i did it. It was a pleasure Siberian.

[Siberian]

Or incomfortable for you because it shows the crimes which russia has done? But that's simply the facts.

Aš, if you will continue in this tone, I will say more though... So you say Russia's fault in all of your troubles? Isn't your fault, that you were too weak to not defend your independence in the times? Huh? Do you like such answer?

Who drummed into your head such things? Crimes? Show me the connection between our defend and your occupation? Your occupation probably is secondary result of the war absolutely not related to 9th May. We have the day of the victims of the Stalinist terror, that's closer to your subject.

[Perfect]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop - read this

[Aš]

Aš, if you will continue in this tone, I will say more though... So you say Russia's fault in all of your troubles? Isn't your fault, that you were too weak to not defend your independence in the times? Huh? Do you like such answer?

I will let this to be read by the others. Can't believe this...

Who drummed into your head such things? Crimes?

Occupation is a crime. You agreed that this crime was made by russia by yourself.

Show me the connection between our defend and your occupation? Your occupation probably is secondary result of the war absolutely not related to 9th May.

If occupation would be secondary result, russia would not hold us for 50 years. And it's related with the defeat of nazis, because it was the way russia occupied us.

We have the day of the victims of the Stalinist terror, that's closer to your subject.

That's a good day. But why russians are blessing stalin then? Would you yourself agree that stalin was a shame for russia and it's history?

[Siberian]

I will let this to be read by the others. Can't believe this...

Sure, let them to read. It's imitation of your style of argumentation.

If occupation would be secondary result, russia would not hold us for 50 years. And it's related with the defeat of nazis, because it was the way russia occupied us.

If USSR didn't hold you 50 years, you would be in NATO long time ago. It's the tactical decision. (Doesn't mean I support it)

That's a good day. But why russians are blessing stalin then? Would you yourself agree that stalin was a shame for russia and it's history?

Where do see that Russians blessing Stalin? Most of the Russians don't blessing Stalin. It's not a shame for history it's disaster. It could be the shame if Stalin was elected like Hitler was.

[AIRzol]

Where do see that Russians blessing Stalin? Most of the Russians don't blessing Stalin. It's not a shame for history it's disaster. It could be the shame if Stalin was elected like Hitler was.

Nice banner



http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=466741

[Siberian]

Nice banner

LOL
And what's it's proving? Look who post the banner! A Serb.

[Perfect]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuan...g_World_War_II - read this and maybe you will get broader approach about what is independence to Lithuanians.