Elektromobiliai

[DJ+]

Tas Xiaomi SU7 ant popieriaus labai imponuoja. O realiai... gėda žiūrėti.
Labai daug broko, konstrukcinių klaidų ir t.t.

[MedinisStrazdas]

Labiau ispaniškų padidėjimą pastėbėjau nei kiniškų. Bet tie įspaniški tokie techniškai ispaniški, bet priklauso Volkswagen group.

[Arunasx]

Būk žmogus neskaityk tokio šlamšto kaip reidasofficial ir panašių nesąmonių, nei ten kas gilinosi kodėl nei kas ir sakytų kažkam kodėl ten "stage'ina," gal kokio laivo laukia o Bremerhaven pilnas ir pan.

Nežinau, gal. O tai irgi fake: https://qz.com/tesla-unsold-cars-aba...age-1851473616
https://www.benzinga.com/news/24/05/...-intense-inven

[suoliuojantis]

Šiaip EV pardavimai pasaulyje ir toliau sparčiai auga. Yra sumažėjimas Europoje, bet Europoje visų tipų automobilių sumažėjimas yra (laukia palūkanų sumažjimo ?). Bet ir gamybos capacity atrodo jau ženkliai išaugo

The latest IEA Outlook report asserts that global EV sales are set to remain “robust” in 2024, reaching around 17 million by the end of the year. In Q1, sales grew by about 25% year-over-year – similar to the growth rate seen in the same period a year earlier but from a larger base. The number of EVs sold globally in Q1 2024 is roughly equivalent to that in all of 2020.

In 2024, electric car sales in China are projected to jump to about 10 million, accounting for about 45% of all car sales in the country. In the US, roughly 1 in 9 cars sold are projected to be electric. In Europe, despite a generally weak outlook for passenger car sales and the phase-out of EV subsidies in some countries, EVs are still set to represent about 1 in 4 cars sold.

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Nežinau, gal. O tai irgi fake: https://qz.com/tesla-unsold-cars-aba...age-1851473616
https://www.benzinga.com/news/24/05/...-intense-inven

Teslos gamybos augimas viršijo paklausos augimą jau prieš gerus metus, o kad kažkurioj vietoj pastebėjo kažkokį kiekį automobilių "sandeliuką" nematau reikalo diskutuot. Neįmanoma kasmet augti 50%, ypač pardavinėjant praktiškai 1 modelį.

[MedinisStrazdas]

Per pandemiją buvo automobilių pirkimo padidėjimas europoje tai dabar sumažėjimas nieko nuostabaus, kas norėjo nusipirko ir kelis metus nebus tokios paklausos.

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Autonominių EV istorinis saugumas:

[Panevezietis]

JAV ėmėsi gintis nuo kiniškų automobilių: prognozuoja, ar tokiu keliu pasuks ir Europa (lrytas.lt)

"Praėjusią savaitę Jungtinės Amerikos Valstijos (JAV) įvedė 100 proc. muito tarifus kiniškiems automobiliams. Užsidarius šiai rinkai tikėtina, jog kinai ims plūsti į Europą."

[MedinisStrazdas]

Kokią rinką? Realiai Polestar vienintelis kuris US pardavinėjo kinijoje rinktus, o ir tas pats Meksikoje gamyklą stato.

[Arunasx]

Volvo to shift EV production to Europe to escape China tariffs https://www.thetimes.com/business-mo...iffs-btx9swhr6

The carmaker has started to divert manufacturing to Belgium ahead of an expected European Union crackdown on Beijing-subsidised imports
Volvo has started to divert production of Chinese-made electric vehicles to Belgium in the expectation that the European Union will drive ahead with a crackdown on Beijing-subsidised imports.
The Swedish-headquartered company is seen as the most exposed among western carmakers to the controversial plans to impose tariffs on a flood of cheap EVs that are heading to Europe from Chinese factories.
Company insiders said that Volvo, itself owned by the Chinese carmaker Geely, was considering plans to halt sales of Chinese-built EVs bound for Europe if tariffs were introduced. Diverting production of Volvo’s EX30 and EX90 models from China to Belgium is expected to negate the need for the company to do so. The manufacturing of certain Volvo models bound for the UK could also be moved to Belgium. Sources close to the company insisted that suspending sales of EVs made in China was no longer being considered.
The revelations come with the EU on the brink of a major trade war with China that risks severe financial implications for German carmakers.
The European Commission launched a consultation to impose tariffs on Chinese EV imports amid claims that its manufacturers were undercutting western rivals thanks to the support of huge state subsidies. A decision is expected this week.
Volvo insisted that it was “premature” to draw conclusions about the European Commission investigation and any potential measures the carmaker would need to take if trade barriers were imposed. “We are monitoring the EC investigation and cannot comment further until a decision from the EC is made,” a spokesman said.
The European Commission launched an anti-subsidy investigation into EV imports from China in October. Unusually, it was started unilaterally by the commission rather than following a complaint by a company or industry.
Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission, warned that the EU was being “flooded” with cheap Chinese imports, with prices kept artificially low by “huge state subsidies”. Analysts at HSBC said that the subsidies give manufacturers a roughly 30 per cent cost advantage.
The EU currently places a 10 per cent tariff on Chinese-made EVs. Experts said that could increase to between 25 per cent and 30 per cent. The US recently announced plans to increase its tariffs on EV imports from China, from 25 per cent to 100 per cent.
The move is a worry for western car manufacturers as they are the biggest importers from China because of the country’s large factories. Tesla is the largest importer to the EU from China, but the American company has signalled that it will cease such actions this year.
Analysts said that Volvo is the most exposed to the EU action in the mid-term. However, it is now thought to be moving at pace to avoid taxes being imposed that would, in particular, make its £33,795 EX30 uneconomic if still made in China.
And although EU tariffs threaten western car manufacturing in China, experts said that companies such as BYD and SAIC would be undeterred.
Will Roberts, the head of automotive research at Rho Motion, told a conference in Paris last week: “As EU leaders consider what level of tariff to impose on Chinese EV makers, they will be balancing the fact that a 30 per cent tariff may not touch the sides of profitability for some key manufacturers.”
There is also the threat of retaliatory measures by Beijing. HSBC estimated that German carmakers generate between 20 per cent and 23 per cent of global profits in China. Meanwhile, China has a stranglehold on the production of EV batteries, with a 60 per cent market share.
Aston staff to work less for higher pay
Aston Martin has struck a pay deal with unions to work less but be paid more as its rivals grapple with industrial disputes and strikes. Some 2,500 workers will receive a 4 per cent pay rise, with manufacturing technicians promised a further 1.5 per cent increase in 2025 alongside a one-hour reduction in their working week.
Aston, chaired by the flamboyant Canadian billionaire Lawrence Stroll, will also offer staff a £1,000 bonus and shares in the FTSE 250 company.
The deal comes as fellow upmarket British carmaker Bentley faces the threat of industrial action at its works in Crewe. The Volkswagen Group-owned firm has sparked anger from members of the Unite union with plans to change sick pay rules, scrap bonuses and use agency staff.
Ford managers across the UK, meanwhile, will begin industrial action this month in a similar row over pay. An overtime ban by members of Unite at Dunton, Stratford, Dagenham, Daventry and Halewood is due to begin at the end of next week. Walkouts have also been threatened.
Stroll poached Bentley boss Adrian Hallmark in March to be the company’s third chief executive in four years. The Canadian, who also owns Aston’s Formula One team, is adamant that he can turn around the fortunes of the Gaydon-based carmaker after a difficult few years since the company was floated in London in 2018.
On the first day of trading, shares were priced at £19 each, valuing the company at £4.3 billion. They are now worth £1.64 and, while the sell-off has largely stabilised since Stroll came to the helm in April 2020, fears about mounting debts have dogged the company.
Aston also sealed a £1.15 billion refinancing in March in the hope it would dispel lingering fears about the company’s loan pile.
Regarding the new pay deal, Simon Smith, the chief people officer at Aston Martin, said: “This agreement also promotes talent retention, providing labour certainty for the business as we enter an important period of production, with the ramp up of new models that will support the company’s financial goals in 2024.”
A representative of Unite said that the pay deal “promotes the working relations built with Aston Martin, along with delivering a substantial pay rise and improvements on the work-life balance of our members”.

[DJ+]

Turiu įtarimą kad Kroatija su laiku taps vienas iš EU autogamybos kompetencijos centrų.
Rimac Verne robotaxi.

[MedinisStrazdas]

Kokiu pagrindu, kad gali renderį padaryti?

[DJ+]

Tokiu pagrindu kad jau yra, bet dar nėra scale.
Rimac jau šiandien daro techninius sprendimus kitiems autogamintojams – nuo Hyundai iki Aston Martin.
Ir aišku VW grupei turint omenyje stiprų sąryšį su Porsche.

[MedinisStrazdas]

Tai toli gražu ne pirmas savaeigis automobilis juk.

[Romas]

TV3.lt 2024.07.07
Pirkai netinkamą daiktą ir paskui verki

Lietuvos vairuotojai per lėtai persėdinėja į elektromobilius. Valstybės kontrolė išrašė pylos valdžiai: esą Lietuvos keliais važinėja per mažai elektromobilių, o ir jiems reikalingų įkrovos stotelių keturis kartus mažiau nei turėjo būti pastatyta. (...)

Kokie žingsniai turi būti daromi, kad elektromobilių rinka vėl įgautų pagreitį?
A. Izgorodinas: Subsidijos. Bet tai yra problema, nes EK pradėjo griežčiau žiūrėti į Europos Sąjungos šalių biudžetus. Neseniai Komisija pradėjo bylą prieš Prancūziją, nes Prancūzijos biudžeto deficitas viršija visokius rodiklius. O tai reiškia, kad ES šalys fokusuosis į biudžeto deficito mažinimą ir tai niekaip nekoreliuoja su elektromobilių subsidijomis.

Kas turėtų būti daroma, kad elektromobilių rinka pajudėtų į priekį?
V. Milius: Aš manau, kad viena iš žmonių psichologinio pasipriešinimo prieš elektromobilius priežasčių yra tai, kad pereti prie elektromobilių buvo siūloma su dalele prievartos. Aš manau, kad juos įsigyti reikėtų leisti pakankamai laisvai. (...)
Taip, jis šiandien tinka ne visiems ir ne visur. Dėl to nereikia jo kišti kitiems. Tiems, kuriems jo reikia, jie ir priims sprendimą. Reikia tiesiog pasirinkti.
Vokietijoje taip nutiko. Ten dideli atstumai, dideli greičiai, elektromobilis ten nedirba. Su juo 200 km per valandą nenuvažiuosi. Tai vokiečiai paskui sako: mes nusivylėme. O tai kodėl nusivylėte? Iš karto buvo aišku, kad nevažiuos. Nereikėjo pirkti. Nusipirk dyzelį ir ten viskas veikia. O čia pirkai netinkamą daiktą ir paskui verki.

https://www.tv3.lt/naujiena/lietuva/...8279e67fd51ef6

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TV3.lt 2024.07.07
ES šalys fokusuosis į biudžeto deficito mažinimą ir tai niekaip nekoreliuoja su elektromobilių subsidijomis.

Kodėl man atrodo kad koreliuoja?

[MedinisStrazdas]

Kodėl man atrodo kad koreliuoja?

Neigiama korealiacija? Degalų akcizas ir automobilio mokesčiai (netaikomi elektromobiliams) yra reikšminga surenkamų pajamų dalis.

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Neigiama korealiacija?

Taip, ir mažiau surinktų akcizų/mokesčių, ir daugiau išlaidų kompensacijoms. T.y. kuo daugiau subsidijų EV, tuo didesnis biudžeto deficitas. Aišku tai lašas jūroje, bet akivaizdu kad "ekspertas" nesupranta ką reiškia jo vartojami protingi žodžiai.

[PukiS]

EV subsidijom ateina galas, kartu su supratimu kad EV lieka nišiniu produktu, kuris maks pasieks kelis procentus autoparko. Puikus miesto automobilis, puikios dinbaminės savybės, deja VDV/mild hibidas šia dienai yra efektyviausiais ir patogiausias. Manau EV pirmas žingsnis į vandenilines auto priemones.

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Bet 2035 neišvengiamai artėja. Su tuo kiek užtrunka paleist naują auto modelį, jei paskutinėm akimirkom puls nukėlinėt tą datą tai bus nekažką.